Obama should denounce this mess and use his pulpit to call for a renewed emphasis on science in our schools. After all, his was the administration that was going to make decisions based on science. Sadly, he won’t. It’s not in his interest, nor is he interested.

The fact is that there is absolutely NO evidence that man has in any way caused (or will cause) ANY change whatsoever in the climate. NONE.

The very first “hockey stick” graphs which were THE proof, turned out to have been faked – but the movement had already begun and was spreading, and grant money was being given, and no amount of fraud exposed or facts presented could turn the tide.

In addition to these emails (which showed a ‘conspiracy’ to squelch presentation of facts and discussion of views that did not support man made global warming), it is common to find that reports supporting MMGW had data that was massaged to fit the theory, and other data removed if it worked against the theory.

Such stories are not new – this has been happening consistently for years. Look at another story released this week – New Zealand’s CRU put out another of the ‘hockey stick’ charts supporting MMGW, one that has been long accepted as ‘gospel’. And when others want to fact check them because things don’t seem to add up, they reveal that their core samples as well as initial written evidence were all destroyed – they kept no record, so their work can’t be checked and subjected to scientific review. They committed what is a cardinal sin in the scientific world, and yet none of the MMGW supporters think it matters. I’d wager they would care if the data had been destroyed in such a manner for research supposedly proving there WAS NO MMGW.

And then we have the fact that the people pushing the MMGW theory are making money hand over fist for it. Al Gore? Now a billionaire. The scientists who push the theory? Getting tons of research money, while none is given to researches who DON’T support MMGW. If this were happening for anything but MMGW, it would have raised red flags in the minds of journalists and the public – but it fits in with their existing political leanings, so there are in large part no questions.

I am very much interested in protecting the environment and not further contaminating this world. Our Earth has an amazing ability to heal, clean and thrive – but we should never abuse it. Despite my protective feelings about the environment, I absolutely do NOT approve of this disgusting & dishonest scam that has been foisted on our children in school, our businesses, our public in general.

The double standards, intellectual dishonesty, gullibility, and constant ‘oh that’s just what brainwashed FOX NEWS viewers think’ type comments” are deplorable, and should be embarassing to the Kool-Aid drinkers.

The world appears flat to those with no vision of hope and ability. Those who find fault in most human endeavors predict disaster beyond the line on the horizon. For them man is a blight on the planet rather. They voice a mantra of despair.

The world remains round for those with faith and trust in man’s unbridled ability. They cast a glance on the world and see not what man has destroyed, but what man has created. For them the possibilities, like a circle or the round earth, are infinite.

First we had the Hillary-esque “for the children” closing, now this ominous warning…”This is only the beginning…”

Of what? The peak oil, disease, famine, over population Kool-Aid your drinking?

Peak oil may be looming, but so is innovation. The human immune system continues to amaze medical reserchers. Modern famines are tied to the actions of governments, not climate. And over-population: there you go with that guilt over who has the right to live again. You and your circular arguments make me tired.

Get out there on the world wide inter-tubes and get a little education on how things really work, not just how a handful of folks see it. And, while you’re at it, dip your toes in some free market thought, and a little economics. It’ll to you good.

You mention the billions of people around the world who have needs. That is true. So, why are we going to spend trillions on attempting to limit something which even the proponents aren’t sure can be limited? You might want to read Bjorn Lomberg on this issue. He is a believer in AGW, but also will put into black and white numbers why trying to prevent it as we are is a waste of resources.

I can appreciate how you simply want research to continue and the “real truth” to come out. And if this were some sort of largely intellectual scientific exercise (Is there life in other solar sysytems? for instance), there wouldn’t be nearly the level of vitriol being spewed on both sides of the issue.

But I think you’re missing the point. The strategy of the AGW proponents is not only to attempt to prove that that the phenomenon exists BUT ALSO to institute radical, immediate changes worldwide that will affect the pocketbooks and lifestyles of every company and human in the world. To achieve the latter goal, AGWers frame their science into doomsday scenarios and implicitly demonize anyone who disagrees with them. (And they can’t even agree when the so-called “tipping point” occurs. I’ve read at least one scientist’s opinion that it has already passed.) Add to this the question whether any of these drastic changes will actually work, and you can see why this entire debate has been emotionalized even before the current email scandal came to light.

Truthfully, I believe if more AGW “believers” took the “wait and see where the science leads us” attitude like you do, then much of the hatred in this debate would vanish. But since the acceptance of AGW theories is invariably tied to the drastic change modus operandi, I think that most discussions of the issue will tend to mirror the one in this thread.

I don’t intend to infer that anyone who disagrees with AGW is a Fox News hound. There are many brilliant minds out there working on these issues who have differing points of view – which is the main point to this whole discussion in the first place. If you’re going to settle into a simplistic POV – for whatever reason – at this point of the process (as the world continues to change) then you do yourself and everyone else a disservice.

The natural world does not move by global taxes – only people and governments do that. If global warming, or climate change, was simply a matter of who controls what pocketbook, then I’d probably be up in arms about these issues myself. As it is, I’m more interested in learning about where the world is going – how to improve on how we can project for the future – and to plan accurately. If that means we make certain sacrifices, we better be figuring out what those are. If not, then so be it.

My posts probably don’t reveal much about myself other than how little I do know. I admit that openly. That’s why I’m working to present information. Now, I’m working to do it better and more fairly. If you think you know full well how this world system works, then you’re deceiving yourself. As much as we do know, we are continually learning and growing. If you can stand on the fact that what is being presented is a hoax, more power to you. I’m pleased that the gods have rained that insight down upon you. For the science that does exist, I try to learn and understand. None of it is comfortable. My opinions are constantly being massaged by the information I take in. That’s someplace else I’m trying to improve – news sources. As to where it is all going, what have we but faith? I’m human, not a god.

In the end, the ‘billions’ I was referring to are people who are, and will be, trying to make their way on this world just to survive. We have many other problems sitting on our doorstep in the coming decades than just climate change. Of course, you may not believe in the notion of peak oil, water shortages, population increases, famine, disease, etc. etc. You shouldn’t feel so offended by my statements and just consider me one more person trying to understand all of these processes and not jump to conclusions before the race has even begun.

This is just the beginning….

You state: “This is all about scientific discovery that is ongoing and for anyone to dismiss the evidence to date as fraud is a bit presumptuous.”
What evidence are you talking about? That the climate is changing? It always has and will continue to do so. Man’s paltry contribution of CO2, less than 5% of ALL CO2 is not near enough to cause the climate to change. Explain to me how the global climate models which are mathematical constructs attempting to replicate a choatic system can consistently fail to match observed climate, but can predict 100 years into the future. How can these same models not understand water vapor, which makes up over 90% of the greenhouse gases, even begin to be accurate. This last bit is stated in the IPCC reports. Read it for yourself.
Although you say you have billions of reasons for supporting AGW, your posts are more telling. You have looked at the change about you and have found an explanation with which you are comfortable. That’s not science. That is faith.